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OK
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lawyerpatriciagn: yes... lawyerpatriciagn: well, goodbye! Sly the Eye: the last thing it said was "have you felt my touch, my husband?" 2:22 PM Oh, yeah. Ben • 2:26 PM17:03
wow, that was way longer than i thought17:03
it's all worth reading though17:03
Ashley Sgromo
i never made the connection that was amaya17:10
i mean, sarathiel17:10
well, anyway17:10
Magnus Nørgaard
oh, really?17:10
Ashley Sgromo
not that i recall...17:10
Magnus Nørgaard
man, i am not a good communicator17:10
i'm turning into an eidophusikon character who can only speak in riddles17:10
Ashley Sgromo
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh turning into might not be the right way to put it17:11
Magnus Nørgaard
fair enough17:11
Ashley Sgromo
you go up out of and down into that regularly, more like, and have since you made contact with me17:11
and UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Title"/> because you do so without pointing it out, and you've certainly indicated a perfect awareness of this, it's never clear when it's a subtle but straightforward metaphor or joke17:12
that spelling out certain things. but i always figured the information that work into, zen master style17:14
and essentially that's still my habitual method of interpreting you17:14
but so, wait, how did you connect amaya into those dreams?17:20
what part of it was amaya and what part was sathariel, from your naďve perspective?17:21
Ashley Sgromo
just then i simply said sathariel when i meant amaya17:21
i mean, the other way around17:21
good lord17:21
Magnus Nørgaard
oh, wow17:21
to be clear, sathariel and amaya are the same entity17:29
i myself did not put this together until about a year ago17:29
Ashley Sgromo
yeah, i did know that17:29
Magnus Nørgaard
ah, ok17:29
Ashley Sgromo
you've explained it before17:29
i out in the cul de sac, or some such, but i can't remember17:30
Magnus Nørgaard
i think that ties in, but it's off to the side17:31
or only goes halfway17:31
the thing in the cul-de-sac wasn't veiled, it was completely covered EXCEPT 17:32
with large circular eyeholes17:32
inside, there was no one17:32
Ashley Sgromo
ah17:32
Magnus Nørgaard
and i had the notion, after waking up, that it was me17:32
from the future or something17:32
i didn't BELIEVE it was, i just was inclined to muse as such17:33
i believed, and still do believe, that it was a dream17:33
but it was an unusually vivid dream17:33
the way it ties in to the sathariel thing is that it establishes my part in an analogy; sathariel is the hand, i am the puppet17:34
animated by her, yet not her17:35
which sounds very woo-woo and religiousy, but it's a relationship you can see in any number of ridiculous and mundane places17:36
a player and their character in a D&D game, emmet brickowsky and the boy who makes him talk, etc.17:36
and i mean to invoke those analogies more fully than you might expect, there are a lot of weird details to how it works17:38
emmet UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="No Spacing"/> actually CAN move on his own, albeit only slightly; D&D characters lego figures nor D&D characters are exactly animated by a single product of a complex confluence of forces and designs and they may 17:41
for UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Light Grid"/> instance, emmet is finn's avatar and president business represents the finn made emmet and his father made president business17:43
in fact, both of them were manufactured as four or more initially separate parts by LEGO inc.17:45
emmet was assembled by the man upstairs and lord business was assembled by finn!17:45
and there are further reversals and asymmetries, they're everywhere17:46
emmet's of them were named by finn, they're not actually real legos, they're can be purchased on the next layer of fiction up as pre-assembled getting because they have opaque packaging17:49
i'm our world more generally, though i would not be entirely surprised if 17:51
what UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 2"/> i'm saying is that it would be naďve to expect our relationship to the to the worlds below17:52
and that this is something with practical, actionable consequences, though we may not yet know what they are17:54
Ashley Sgromo
yes, that makes sense, as well as it would seem to make for annoyingly bad storytelling18:13
from our point of view, that is18:13
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me: oh, i had a great idea for a children's book me: do you know what LIVING BOOKS are? Watkins: I know what living NOTEBOOKS are. me: these are different Watkins: But not living books. me: they were multimedia versions of kid's books me: like Arthur's Teacher Trouble or whatnot me: but when a page was done reading itself to you, you could click on things and they'd do things me: sometimes reasonable things, but usually LSD-fueled insanity me: dozens of things on each page me: living book version, with all the additional dialog and descriptions me: it'd end up being like 400 pages long and mostly filled with descriptions and depictions of nonsensical events me: UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful Shading"/> "Just then, someone shot the bag of flour with a bow and arrow! 'UGH' Watkins: It would be quite a novel. me: Arthur and the Persistent Poltergeist me: just imagine how weird the living books version of THAT book would be Watkins: UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful List"/> You said that you had a great idea for a children's book, though. I insane people. me: children would like it and that's a stone cold fact! Watkins: Children would like it as much as my wife likes Eidophusikon. me: they'd think it was so funny they'd pee their damn pants!19:56
Ashley Sgromo
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm19:57
they might...19:57
oh, rihgt, i was suspposed to do that dumb comic19:58
instead i made a picture of a furry and i made enchiladas and i eated them19:58
well, i can still try19:58
Ashley Sgromo
yep, definitely gotta keep gesture drawing, this is pathetic20:17
the stick figures look fine, then i flesh them out and discover the hideous mutant i started with20:17
Magnus Nørgaard
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Ashley Sgromo
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Magnus Nørgaard
head is too small20:19
most of the body parts are too long also20:19
Ashley Sgromo
quite...20:19
quite!20:19
Magnus Nørgaard
unless it's laura dern, then those are correct20:19
Ashley Sgromo
laura dern it is!20:20
i think laura dern could play justice20:20
Magnus Nørgaard
or stu pickles20:20
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Ashley Sgromo
hehheheheheh flasdjfl20:22
that hits home, jack, that hits home20:22
i have a cousin named sanjay20:22
he works for "the google"20:22
Magnus Nørgaard
i also have a cousin named sanjay20:23
he is.... in jail20:23
Ashley Sgromo
hm!20:23
Magnus Nørgaard
20:23
google cannot draw either20:23
Ashley Sgromo
indeed not20:23
Magnus Nørgaard
you have to click the link and not the picture, i think20:25
just the scene in the prison, is what i meant to link to20:28
in of fiction, if it goes down the way i think, that will be strong 14 mins Simon Sane
Yeah, it would be worth learning, even if disastrous Well, it would be interesting, anyway Vincent • 14 mins
it would be useful and being useful is a good way to stay alive it would also be entertaining, of which you could say the same thing from a fictional perspective 14 mins Simon Sane
Maybe, UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Light List Accent 1"/> or maybe it would just fuck shit up. When characters in fiction world works. You might gain more utility by understanding the way the Vincent • 12 mins
that's true in the SHORT term, but what's your endgame with a strategy like that? 11 mins Simon Sane
Well, what is the endgame? Not dying? Vincent • 10 mins
it depends on what you want, i suppose for me it's an easy decision since i'm driven by curiosity if i never find out the truth, there's no point in being successful in a conventional sense but you don't need to think about it in terms of endgames, just in terms of a bigger picture than the contrasting one 9 mins Simon Sane
I'd UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Shading 1 Accent 1"/> go the opposite way. Whatever kind of success I'd want, I'd willing simulation where I would meet all my goals, and give up the knowledge Vincent • 7 mins
it's true, you can UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium List 1 Accent 1"/> always make the picture bigger and at some point it becomes incomprehensible and any plans you might have become irrelevant to it, picture as is within your grasp hmm you know, i've long seen you as being like an ingrown version of myself, but perhaps that's unfair 6 mins Simon Sane
We're a lot more different than that Vincent • 5 mins20:34
but are we similar in the ways we are in spite of our differences, or BECAUSE of them? i desire for order and stability and and a blissfully ignorant happily intentions lie in the exact opposite direction we're both trying to do something which requires an unusual angle to our perspective 3 mins Simon Sane
Are our paths really that similar? I'm not saying they're not, just that I don't see that they are. Vincent • 1 min
your blueprints for the perfect labyrinth are my map for escaping it but we're not looking at each other through a hole in the sky, we're talking on google hangouts which implies that something is a bit screwy 1 min Simon Sane
Yeah, water fountains, and I consider the ones I love to be the best thing in Including my family, but also, for instance, (some of) the synod But it doesn't have to be super special individuals culled from long years of internet scrounging Vincent • 1 min
there's UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 1"/> a line in a darkest of the hillside thickets song about having ice what makes her an appealing character to me as opposed to the "warm water fountain" people the world i live in seems to be populated with 1 min Simon Sane20:36
Ashley Sgromo
was "warm water fountain" initially vincent's phrase or yours21:08
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Ashley Sgromo
when you say you had girlfriend(s), what were they for, exactly08:05
they seem to map pretty closely to the set of friends who are girls, though, so maybe that's what you mean08:06
Magnus Nørgaard
did i say i had girlfriends?08:36
Ashley Sgromo
yes, namely... nadia, at least08:36
Magnus Nørgaard
hmm08:37
i don't rightly know, in retrospect08:37
Ashley Sgromo
good lord, you've called her your ex-girlfriend a bunch of times08:38
really that's the main way you've referred to her08:38
Magnus Nørgaard
no, i mean, i don't know what she was for08:39
Ashley Sgromo
do you legitimately not remember that or are you just dicking around08:39
yeah08:39
Magnus Nørgaard
i do agree she's my ex-girlfriend08:39
but the relationship feels transparently pointless, looking back08:40
Method The (which is usually sodium amobarbital) is introduced into one of the the femoral artery. The drug is injected into one hemisphere at a time. hemisphere in order to evaluate the other hemisphere ("half of the related tests. The memory is evaluated by showing a series of items or effect of the medication is dissipated, the ability to recall can be There is currently great variability in the processes used to UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Light Shading Accent 2"/> administer the test, and so it is difficult to compare results from one Uses The test is usually performed prior UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Light List Accent 2"/> to ablative surgery for epilepsy and sometimes prior to tumor responsible for certain vital cognitive functions, namely speech and and depending on the surgical approach employed at the epilepsy surgery 08:48
The UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 2"/> Wada test has several interesting side-effects. Drastic personality contralateral hemiplegia, hemineglect and shivering are often seen. have impaired speech and language or be completely unable to express or sometimes their ability to sing is preserved. This is because music and Recovery from the anesthesia is rapid, and EEG recordings and distal Apr 19, 8:01 PM
Matt Smith I wonder how they get them to sing if they can't instruct them to do so
Apr 19, 8:04 PM maybe they sing spontaneously Apr 19, 8:04 PM
Matt Smith perhaps all people living in a musical fiction have one-half of their brain shut down randomly
Matt Smith No! Watkins aversion to introspection/repression of knowledge is the only thing in the world that's actually offensive to you? I'm on my phone It is intolerably hot in this room
Apr 19, 9:32 PM at this point it's not so much his aversion to it as what i'm beginning to suspect is the source of that aversion there's anagrams everywhere, most of them irrelevant, as they are in homestuck but for instance, john tanis is saint john, the prophet of the book of revelation that one's very easy similarly saint daniel is the guy who nebuchadnezzer throws to the lions Apr 19, 9:33 PM08:49
Matt Smith Easy if you know these bible guys exist in the first place
Apr 19, 9:35 PM yeah, i wasn't familiar with daniel so i didn't get the danielle part i did recognize nebuchadnezzer as a biblical name, but knew nothing about him in UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 2"/> any case, there's a great deal of obfuscation in eidophusikon as to who people they're implied to be or even the people they themselves think Apr 19, 9:37 PM
Matt Smith I'm going to go to the store and maybe the internet will work in 2 hours when I get back
Apr 19, 9:38 PM the UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 2"/> shadowy figure john meets in captain jack's porn theater, who turns out returning08:49
"empty takes place in the bathroom between john and the toothless hobo has an “Yes,” I agreed, fixing my collar. “Fucking raw.” I over-enunciated, but he didn’t catch my drift. “Fuck-can raw!” he sloppily echoed. “So you like it?” I asked, for some reason. “Like it? Eh’s raw, bebbe, raw!” He punched my shoulder playfully, and I inadvertently sneered and pulled away. “S’alright, UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Light Shading Accent 3"/> man,” he said, soothingly. “Ah ent goan hurtcha. Hey, man, The clarity of his UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Light List Accent 3"/> last sentence startled me, and my first thought was “cop.” He I didn’t give a damn either way. “No, I don’t know anything about any goddamned drugs,” I said. “Then you know what Tim is?” he said, leaning in. “I’ve heard of it,” I said. “From whom?” Good English. “My don’t know why I said that. “She was a detective.” I don’t “On the force?” “No, she was a private investigator.” “Why didn’t you say that?” “Does it make a difference?” “There’s a world of difference. You are what they call ‘John Tanis’?” Then, UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 3"/> I fucking froze. I don’t know how long I just fucking stood there anything. Finally, some fat Italian guy came into the restroom, and I snapped out of it. “S’raw, bebbe, raw,” the freak said, as the dago cut between us. “Yuh got dat fo ya.” He walked out. I lost him anyway, somehow, before I even got into the theater again.08:49
not only does the hobo suddenly break character, but john himself starts saying things that he doesn't know why he's saying he seems to lose agency over his own speech then he freezes perhaps tay bursts out of on the moon, and their operators had gotten out in immobile and unaware it's not at all clear how the details of that would be squared away, but this isn't the only scene like that manni could obviously be read to refer not to a coat per se, but to a dead disguise, or to an allegorical lion (chad nezzer) that she was wearing again in this same "person inside another person" sense all four beasts are larger than normal people it UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful Shading Accent 3"/> seems natural to imagine, if this admittedly bizarre interpretation is would've switched places rather than the eagle going inside the lion, he's dressed as an eagle scout) like the characters, there's cannot be properly arranged in sequence but if danielle is in the eagle during chapter 1, it might explain why manni innocence scares john the most none of these theories are entirely coherent, and what surprises me is that they work as well as they do because incomplete ones along the lines i've outlined some of the bits of here of my schizophrenic brain08:49
from videogame and mythology references and strew them around into a silly drive and half based on who censored roger rabbit, making no attempt to them around at random as whimsy suited him i don't think this is a lie but the result is something nakedly alien in character from the process by which it was created and masterpiece, albeit a flawed one, he does not seem to see, at all, the perhaps this is only due to being too close to it and to having seen it from the other side during its construction but if so, that does not explain the guilt/fear/anxiety part of his mental block watkins always loses every fight he has in a dream, in the same way that i always win them something inside him seems to hate him and i wonder if maybe it doesn't have a legitimate reason to Apr 19, 10:08 PM08:49
Matt Smith if bi-consciousness were emerging, how much of the population do you think would have it? a fairly large number, I would guess
Apr 19, 10:10 PM julian UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 4"/> jaynes modelled that the breakdown of the bicameral mind was not a catastrophy, the voices becoming useless in the chaos, the chaos growing and that conciousness spread even faster, rooted as it is in metaphorical language Apr 19, 10:11 PM
Matt Smith a sudden catastrophe on the timescale of what? Decades? Centuries?
Apr 19, 10:12 PM it's hard to say exactly what the boundaries of it are, it's a punctuated equilibrium sort of thing it was triggered by that big volcano the thing is, it's not like the voices just got quieter and quieter, they sort of FLICKERED out, like a dying flashlight Apr 19, 10:13 PM
Apr 19, 10:14 PM and UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 4"/> like a dying flashlight, you could get them back again temporarily by least for a while if i had to extrapolate the next big transition, my guess is it'd be more like sburb meteor apocalypse scale but that's mainly based on intuition, i can't back it up with graphs or anything you around watching it realize their hands are stuck to their face and and this leads to the destruction of the entire world? Apr 19, 10:17 PM
Matt Smith woops!
Apr 19, 10:18 PM i often get the sense that it will end like that, in a way, particularly the aspect of realizing that you're stuck to something that you have been all along and pulling on it rips you apart or causes some catastrophic failure in something bigger than you are there UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful List Accent 4"/> are creepy little signs everywhere, i don't think it's just my that plorg will not be creating this thing, merely revealing it or giving it a voice Apr 19, 10:21 PM
Matt Smith you seem really convinced that it's sinister in nature all of that seems largely connected to your experiences with sathariel
Apr 19, 10:23 PM it's more the sideways connotations of "sinister" than the main one, but yes Apr 19, 10:23 PM
Matt Smith I don't know how you even go sideways from sinister though, lawful evil?08:50
Apr 19, 10:23 PM it is also literally sinister in the dexter/sinister sense of the right and left hands you can go sideways from sinister in a lot of different directions it's in the way we do things, or the reason, or the language we use to describe it sinister isn't quite the word i would pick, though, i would pick "creepy" or if there were a stronger version of creepy that wasn't bent off in this or that direction Apr 19, 10:25 PM
Matt Smith when UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful Grid Accent 4"/> I do intentionally wrong meditation and I get to my most delusional I takes, or that I will directly have a hand in it it feels great! that's probably stems from some kind of mania
Apr 19, 10:28 PM i feel like that basically all of the time now, but it only feels great sometimes Apr 19, 10:28 PM
Matt Smith right, I feel like I could take myself out it at any time though
Apr 19, 10:29 PM i definitely can't interestingly, the way i know that comes up into my awareness in the form of song lyrics Apr 19, 10:30 PM
Matt Smith like "I feel better than James Brown"08:50
Apr 19, 10:31 PM yeah hmm you non-dominant hemisphere could sing but not speak, it would be capable of fact that i'm a terrible singer because i listen to music with esoteric lyrics more so than anybody else i know you'd think ben would have similar musical tastes to me, but in fact he and i overlap even less than you and i he seem to mainly like stuff that's kooky and folksy and unintelligible Apr 19, 10:33 PM
Matt Smith I've copped a fairly large percentage of my musical taste from yours
Matt Smith the backing vocals in this song are kind of terrible08:50
Apr 19, 10:36 PM yeah, duboce triangle are not... good at singing http://castlezzt.net/~nadir/Music/Duboce%20Triangle%20-%20Alright%20Alright.mp3 one of the particularly weird apparent manifestations is in poe and mark z danielewski poe editing and recording process, she was also her brother's editor since but from what i remember from stumbling into her blog once, she's seemingly incapable of writing in a normal non-poetic way lady UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 5"/> gaga gives a similar impression in interviews, not as though she's a except as it regards normal language like the dominant hemisphere has what's typically the auxiliary language processing center in it additionally, poe is actively haunted by the voice of her father, who speaks in a very college professor sort of way she was able to get over it by remixing recordings of him into her music most myself, i can't really bring anybody to mind who's foolish enough to and although my relationship is a UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 5"/> cooperative one, it's still deeply... dysfunctional isn't really the simplicity and thus a stability or comprehensibility that's very and i don't know, for the sake of providing clear UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 5"/> illustrations, i've left out the uncertainties i have everywhere in this this going on, either in my head or anyone's but it's hard not to believe it when i see it and hear it everywhere and i've always been the one who's right about everything oh, i made another stupid mix CD http://castlezzt.net/~nadir/Other/The%20Synod.zip as ben would recommend it, "it's short!" i'm going to try and get some of this text pre-processing done Bblb Apr 19, 10:58 PM
Matt Smith ok
Apr 19, 10:58 PM08:50
oh, to know that ben had an imaginary girlfriend, but that he wasn't the one lewis was, so he could say ben had an imaginary girlfriend ben is kind of halfway between being a red herring and a control group Apr 19, 11:01 PM
Matt Smith huh08:50
Magnus Nørgaard
this conversation started on audiotalk, so i'm sure there's missing context09:36
Ashley Sgromo
In lieu of theorizing about Eidophusikon, I let my husband drag me to Spiritualist church11:29
Magnus Nørgaard
was it spirtual?11:29
Ashley Sgromo
Hmm11:30
Magnus Nørgaard
did they have an acoustic guitar?11:30
Ashley Sgromo
No11:30
Magnus Nørgaard
i'm watching the rifftrax of inception11:30
Ashley Sgromo
A lady named panther wind woman did have a drum, though11:30
Spiritualism is kind of creepy, its ideas are bad and wrong in a consistent way I can't quite put my finger on11:32
Everyone clearly wants to get the Rorschach test right11:33
They want to creep inwards and discover they're all alike11:33
Magnus Nørgaard
hehe11:34
did i ever send you the scripted deliberately wrong rorchach test responses i wrote?11:34
Ashley Sgromo
That sounds familiar11:34
Magnus Nørgaard
1. UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Colorful List Accent 5"/> (long pause) I give up. What is it? <response> (long pause) (tilt anything.
2. It's a skull. <response> It's a laughing skull.
3. cord trailing behind it. This is its reflection. (pause) I'm pretty 4. It's a monster attack! A giant monster attack! It's dancing! (make card dance)
5. UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Light List Accent 6"/> (long pause) (tilt card, then hold it back up again repeatedly)(cover This is the antenna.
6. (tilt card) (very long pause) I see nothing.
7. It's a lamp. (cover "lamp" with hand) It's also a laughing caterpillar-man and his reflection.
8. Hmmmmm (tilt card) (long pause) (tilt card back up, slowly) It's a demon.
9. cloud. They're at war. (uncover bottom half) It's also a bunch of guts, 10. I can't see ANYTHING in these! How many more are UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Shading 2 Accent 6"/> there? <response> (tilt card) (long pause) It's a little girl and there are orderly rows of well-tended trees extending off to the 11:35
Ashley Sgromo
those are funny11:43
also, out of curiosity, do you have a source for sexual dimorphism of rod cone ratio11:43
Magnus Nørgaard
not offhand, but i recall it being fairly well established11:47
i run into gender difference frequently on neuroanatomy articles, what was it the other day11:48
the corpus callosum11:48
actually UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium List 2 Accent 6"/> that one explicitly mentioned that transgender people had corpus 11:48
reference UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 1 Accent 6"/> articles were gated, but you might be able to google up an ungated 11:49
11:54
not gender-related, but surprising11:54
some people have way more red cones, some have way more green cones, it's all over the place11:54
no apparent effects on vision11:54
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if UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 2 Accent 6"/> you reduce light intensity to a particular range, about the way things 11:56
this technically creates tetrachromatic vision, it seems to me11:56
i would explore this further but it's useless for plorg as computer monitors are RGB11:56
Magnus Nørgaard
hmm13:19
i just an interesting moment of déjŕ vu13:19
i had it while thinking about an idea with the end credits music of inception playing13:20
but UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium Grid 3 Accent 6"/> in the déjŕ vu, in addition to the visual scene and the emotional and 13:20
1. not being able to remember quite what the idea was13:21
2. that the reason for 1 involved the fact that it had come to me in a dream13:21
this time the idea is clear to me, but now i wonder if it actually came from a dream or if that's a déjŕ vu confabulation13:22
Ashley Sgromo
what was your methodology for arranging this synod playlist15:17
Magnus Nørgaard
idiosyncratic, UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Dark List Accent 6"/> but roughly speaking i was using the members of the synod as an excuse things to them15:18
in some cases very tangentially, in others too closely to be comforting15:19
matt's eaglerock interactive monument, a magic statue with rocks by it that and plunging them into a surreal dreamworld15:20
Ashley Sgromo
huh!15:21
yeah, i was wondering about that.......15:21
Magnus Nørgaard
i of the world as seen from out the windows of the underground house15:21
it was on the basis of that game that i first contacted him15:21
Ashley Sgromo
i'm wondering about all of them, but that more so, of course15:21
and i guess there's no real mystery to brian crouch here15:21
Magnus Nørgaard
he's an open book15:21
lewis and ben's stuff is basically just what i explained at the outset, it's quite superficial15:22
i things in an illuminating way or it may not, but if it does, it's not by 15:23
i was also considering using "the happy worker" from the Toys soundtrack15:24
Ashley Sgromo
i had a feeling that was the case, but as usual i figured it was more likely there was a specific intent i wasn't seeing15:24
Magnus Nørgaard
i UnhideWhenUsed="false" QFormat="true" Name="Subtle Reference"/> don't like to bullshit my way through these things, even though i know i them for myself15:25
what it comes down to is that i don't really understand your part in this story15:26
you do show signs of being part of it, unlike, say, lewis15:26
but beyond that i don't know15:27
Ashley Sgromo
it's hard to imagine you understanding vincent's part better15:28
Magnus Nørgaard
the transgender thing, the way we met, and again i come back to the fact that like janson, you changed your name to be 6 615:28
hmm, well15:28
vincent's track was the first one, actually15:28
it's hard for me to listen to it WITHOUT hearing danielle talking to chad15:28
Of boiling ire and casting oil These fueling fires faster flame, Let anger burn and hatred toil And madness do the same. exactly consistent,” I offered. “It said
the B]60?? 15:30
Ashley Sgromo
what about yours15:35
Magnus Nørgaard
that one's not really worth explaining, you've probably heard it all before
multiple times and i talk about myself too much as it is15:36
when did you write the three stanzas logan reads in their entirety? Apr 18, 8:51 PM
Vincent Watkins The poems were like the riddles in that I ensured they had a relevance in
Or, wait, maybe it was just shorter.
Apr 18, 8:53 PM i guess what's important is two things one, had you met me? and two, are they in the copy of the book you sent andrew hussie? Apr 18, 8:53 PM
Vincent Watkins In any case, the final version was one of the last major changes to the book
Apr 18, 8:53 PM the final version of this scene, you mean? Apr 18, 8:53 PM
Vincent Watkins Let me see whether I can see It's kind of laborious to dig through old shit on my phone
Apr 18, 8:54 PM they aren't in the original copy you sent to me in 2006, and they are in the copy you sent to me in 2012 Apr 18, 8:54 PM
Vincent Watkins Yeah, well, the scene was largely the same, just with extended poetry reading
Apr 18, 8:54 PM the .odt Apr 18, 8:54 PM
Vincent Watkins Then I added them after meeting you, but let me check on Hussie They were not in the version sent to Hussie
Apr 18, 8:57 PM that simplifies things if they had been, i'd have to deal with the possibility that i influenced him by proxy But be you dull when spirit flares And blood pounds war drums through the ears? Drink coward drinks? Care duncish cares? Fear fool hobgoblin fears? was the use of the word hobgoblin here consciously associated with me? i assume not, but i should ask Apr 18, 8:59 PM
Vincent Watkins No; wait, I need to look at the current version and the old version. I'm not sure what the changes were. But it's hard to do at the moment
Apr 18, 9:00 PM the poetry is entirely absent from the 2006 version Apr 18, 9:01 PM
Vincent Watkins Oh, really? Hussie got an intermediate version
Apr 18, 9:01 PM hmm, let's see it Apr 18, 9:01 PM15:37
Vincent Watkins That same section now has the "and one was painted blue" bit in it, right?
Apr 18, 9:02 PM yeah Apr 18, 9:02 PM
Vincent Watkins When my wife's off the computer (maybe sometime next year) it will be easier for me to find and copy and paste this stuff.
Apr 18, 9:03 PM penis forte is largely incomprehensible to me, but the specific thing you added as tripping up logan is not Apr 18, 9:04 PM
Vincent Watkins Wait, no, sorry, it's all in there in Hussie's version
Apr 18, 9:04 PM ah hmm which, what was the date on that? Apr 18, 9:04 PM
Vincent Watkins I think any metaphor, however obvious, would have tripped up Logan
Apr 18, 9:04 PM yeah, he's a little slow Apr 18, 9:05 PM
Vincent Watkins 10-28-08
Apr 18, 9:05 PM These myths with which we’re smitten, And these endings we have fled, These tales are not yet written, For the heroes are not dead.
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Hawaii: that's not why she loved roger rabbit in the original while, more for show than anything else. I could see he was story! waiting for some astounding insight from me, and I knew I couldn’t provide it. I hoped to at least supply him with a worthwhile
Iris: why did she love him in the original story?
stanza, it has—seven lines. That’s odd.” He didn’t take the bait; he continued to eye me with silent insistence.
Hawaii: it means they are not the heroes The hunter bears the august charm Of foul and chosen arm, She sets the world alarm. This wisdom spans a swinging gate That sight and sense conceal: There is no greater fiction than That fiction is not real. Apr 18, 9:06 PM15:37
Vincent Watkins Right
Apr 18, 9:06 PM together with this stanza, it reads to me very clearly as a message to the actual reader Apr 18, 9:07 PM
Vincent Watkins Well, maybe. Justin Bailey interpreted it as meaning that the video game Metroid was real For John Tanis, it was an indication that he should be taking his sister's poetry seriously.
Apr 18, 9:10 PM you once described yourself using essentially the same words as you describe chad nezzer in Nothing But Paper why did you model the character who kills danielle after yourself?15:37
Ashley Sgromo
i style='font-size:20.0pt'>he wished she would on a magic teapot see myself and plenty of queer or punk or trans people or whatever as relatively stable, whereas the ostensibly normal ones seem so often
Hawaii: the kind with a genie in it!
think16:52
as for the happy worker, if i can interpret that bullshitting at all, i
Iris: that seems a bit out of character...
a rude guy and as tim rogers and his camerafriend walked away tim rogers just kind of rambled about how "well, maybe if you can admit
16:56
Magnus Nørgaard
hmm16:57
well, the way i was half-seeing them was less internally related in both cases16:57
i 0cm;margin-left:255.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>
Iris: hold on, what "original story" are we even talking about primary symptoms of16:59
or here? perhaps not even a symptom at all, but more like a star that you can observe the motion of a black hole indirectly by studying17:00
it
Hawaii: the original book! that the movie was based on
have changed your shape and your name so as to be the sort of part that seems appropriate to build the machine with17:05
but perhaps that's my imagination entirely, it's not something i have a firm conviction about like i do with some things17:06
oh, it should be noted that song from the toys soundtrack has a reprise17:07
i 20.0pt'>i see.in what other ways remember reading somewhere that for the longest time, women were does the film version depart from the original? considered less valuable than men, in the sense that you could get up on stage at a comedy club or the historical equivalent and make jokes
Hawaii: well, they added bugs bunny... daffy duck... mickey upside down, with the point of equality being somewhere in the early 80s17:13
it's mouse... a vast oversimplification to think of the issue as being a boys-vs-girls thing, but there is something to some constellation of the
Hawaii: judge doom...
boys, as fancifully implied to have taken place in the yellow strip in PPC, it's a CREATIVE conflict, it's not a bug, it's a feature17:17
in
Iris: judge doom's not in the book?
is perhaps best understood as a form of play, or at least as being a functional component of humanity's workings (to the extent that it is)
Hawaii: 17:21
Magnus Nørgaard
hehe17:21
i can't think of any notable gender-based interactions i had as a child17:21
oh, actually17:22
i was considered to be ungendered by the children at the montessori school i went to in first and second grade17:22
or so i vaguely recall17:22
on the grounds that i was an alien17:23
no one questioned this17:23
Ashley Sgromo
my gender was never questioned, just my sexual orientation, social class, and last name, all for fairly obvious reasons17:25
Magnus Nørgaard
my socks were sometimes questioned17:25
i think that's about it17:25
Ashley Sgromo
all style='font-size:20.0pt'>no that said, i can be perfectly sexually attracted to girls, i just stopped talking to them for the most part around when puberty really set
Iris: who's the villain, then?
playing card seems to be female, if there was nothing there, i would probably be as role-ambivalent as ben17:29
but as it is, it's like when a group of kids pick favorite colors17:29
you have to pick one that's distinct from everybody else's, that's the point17:29
i'm a boy because that distinguishes me from her and maintains the schizoid divide17:30
Ashley Sgromo
and it's gotta be more convenient...17:30
Magnus Nørgaard
yeah, you certainly have to think about it less17:31
being
Hawaii: 17:32
Ashley Sgromo
i style='font-size:20.0pt'>the genie! never had a relationship in high school with romantic or sexual inclinations and i experienced very little desire for it, but i think
Iris: 17:34
Magnus Nørgaard
my baser desires are all on her side of the schizoid chasm17:35
as is typically the case with schizoids17:35
dissociated from the self17:36
or, from the external one, anyway17:36
i 20.0pt'>the genie who lives in a teapot? read an interesting theory on some wikipedia page, i forget where, that some theoretical sort of excessive hemispherical dominance was caused
Hawaii: 17:38
but style='font-size:20.0pt'>the genie is only revealed at it implies the mind with the external interface, the primary language the very end, though! center, etc, is the protector, and that seems wrong to me17:39
and thinking about it, i did experience severe and prolonged psychological trauma as a child17:39
but crucially, not from an external source17:40
it was night terrors17:40
i was so young i have no memory of them, i only know because my parents
Iris: what does the genie do?
imagery, i am entirely numb to17:42
it's fair to say that i feel fundamentally dissociated from my own
17:43
like they were expecting someone else, like i'm not really plugged in17:44
like normal'>
Hawaii: kills roger explaining that i'm there with somebody else and just passing through17:46
one of the most common aspects to my dreams is the feeling of having no
Hawaii: with a gun
they can give me a ride to my dad's office so he can give me a ride to the bookstore17:49
so i can dick around at the bookstore17:49
i
Iris: 17:50
day before yesterday i had a dream that i was telling somebody the order in which the 12 basic color terms appear in a language17:51
i went through the whole list, entirely accurately, which is actually kind of difficult even when awake17:51
and even in the dream, i knew it was more information than they needed and they weren't even really listening to it all17:52
but i latched onto it as something to do17:52
i get bored, in dreams17:52
regardless of how fantastical the architecture is and such, it has no hold on me17:52
and it seems to me that this is very difficult to reconcile with having severe chronic night terrors as a baby17:53
without some major twist having happened17:53
what 20.0pt'>so, the book is about roger rabbit having random adventures, and then i think is that my mind folded in half and part of it became me, for at the end he gets shot by a genie that comes out of a dealing with external affairs using logic and language and part of it teapot? became her, for dealing with the fucked-up surrealist nightmare that was apparently the world inside my mind17:58
i have a sensory processing disorder of some kind where i experience things on the sensory level more intensely than most people18:00
it's why i like it pitch dark and air conditioned and eat the same food and wear the same clothes all year round18:00
i'm
Hawaii: no, he gets shot at the unpalatable18:02
i beginning also had an increased granularity of suffering, i think, due from spontaneous path-of-insight progress from a ridiculously early age,
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even 0cm;margin-left:255.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>
Iris: and, what, he just dies really slowly? often what would be nightmares in most people's heads18:08
hmm18:08
i just realized this model provides an explanation for something that was a sticky wicket last time i came around here18:09
despite the night terrors and the insight-progress pupils-dilating
18:10
the photographic evidence shows me becoming dark and self-aware at around age seven18:10
but you can't really go backwards on the path of insight, it's like a ratchet, and i certainly don't think i cycled around18:11
it's true that you can slip backwards, but even then, having gone forward once, it's far easier to go forward again18:11
it's bound to happen repeatedly18:12
reaching normal'>
Hawaii: pretty much. without slipping into it again strikes me as deeply implausible18:12
but18:12
if the happy child my parents knew was a NEW personality, a second process, then it makes sense18:13
she cross into the dark night as a baby, i didn't18:13
my mind split in two, one side soaking up the insight and
that it could go through normal childhood development18:15
which i excelled at, aside from a few peculiar delays associated with
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it seems increasingly likely that if there is or was something there, that the specifics of the situation are deeply dysfunctional18:37
like,
second body so she and watkins could work out their differences, my guess is she would kill him with her bare hands after killing his wife
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it's everybody's problem, because it seeded the vocabulary all our sisters are learning18:45
via andrew hussie18:45
before reading eidophusikon, he was doing stuff like problem sleuth18:46
homestuck is miles away from that, and eidophusikon is unmistakably the bridge from one to the other18:47
and style='font-size:20.0pt'> what's to stop a burglar from walking off with all homestuck, like eidophusikon, is broken, it has no ending and hussie is your stuff? stuck and can't write one, he hasn't even worked on it for months18:50
and this is exactly the sort of thing that makes an idea like this into a
Iris: common sense? the fact that i'm always home? well-founded paranoia in an attempt to put together the puzzle and make all the pieces fit18:52
and about the windows being sealed up yet the door being unlocked? of course, everything in culture is viruslike down to the level of cat posters, so there's nothing sinister about that in and of itself18:55
but there's some specific tropes at play in this story that seem like they might be a little spicier than people realize18:56
and there's a level of... what's the term i want to use... it's the name of a magic card18:58
18:58
this
19:00
which is not comforting19:00
it's normal'>
Amy: you think that's going to stop someone who needs conversation about how it would feel to take a bath in human blood19:05
Ashley Sgromo
you don't actually think see a DyE - fantasy sort of thing in there somewhere, do you19:08
-think19:08
Magnus Nørgaard
the money to buy crack? idea i have of what is coming, which overlaps to some extent with sathariel and with what my sister thinks she already hears in the
19:11
or if the internet was god19:11
or if your sister was the internet19:11
it's normal'>
Iris: sure, crack addicts are hella paranoid attempts produce images and ideas you don't have the words to deal with19:12
imagining that such a thing hates you, as it seems to hate watkins, takes things in a very cold and dark direction19:12
but the converse is arguably scarier, because what something like that
19:17
Magnus Nørgaard
this 0cm;margin-left:255.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>
Amy: let's say a burglar just walks into your house one totally literal way that leaves people puzzled19:18
Ashley Sgromo
hm19:19
Magnus Nørgaard
let me see if i can bridge part of the way there starting from a comprehensible reference19:20
maybe not the cosmic horror you're trying to talk about now19:24
Magnus Nørgaard
yeah, just generic horror is not difficult to evoke, i'm trying to be considerably more specific19:26
albeit horror is always ambiguous in some aspect; if it were not, it would not be horror, because you would understand it19:27
this song was almost a #1 hit, incidentally, i believe it got to #219:31
it is instructive to consider the reaction this fact would provoke in people from points increasingly far back in time19:32
i day, what do you do? hope he gets paranoid and leaves? admit that i don't have the most charitible view of people, but in my mind at least, i don't have to go that far into the past before when i
Iris: well, it depends. what am i doing at the time? if i'm listening to 2009, it doesn't just disgust them or upset them, but rather, they can't music or something, that could set up any number of weird contexts that 19:36
they have no emotional reaction to it, because it's literally unthinkable19:37
so, then just extrapolate back in the other direction19:37
that's a bit cheeky, i know, but...19:38
Ashley Sgromo
hm19:39
you know what would be interesting, is if this would have scared me before the zoloft19:41
Magnus Nørgaard
i bet it would have, come to think of it19:41
Ashley Sgromo
i class=SpellE>i'd have to take on a case-by-case basis. guess i don't see anything necessarily horrifying further along on a path that has beatles over here and britney spears a ways on and then
Amy: let's say you're asleep in bed and you wake up to the that19:50
Magnus Nørgaard
it's not as simple as loss or pain or damage, it's a twisting...19:52
it's sound of a burglar opening the door like if you're playing a game and the game gets out of control and you say "this game is not fun anymore, i think we should stop", but it's too
Iris: too easy
the weight of the cars behind you is pulling you back19:54
only the cars are things like your idea of fun, which you can feel slipping
Amy: he's sneaking into your house, clearly not with publish eidophusikon, with an emphasis on hussie's involvement?20:05
Ashley Sgromo
yeah, it's... not much of a plan so far as i've seen? maybe there's been more discussion in video chat20:06
i assume so20:06
Magnus Nørgaard
actually, forget that benny benassi song, the one that gets to the core of this is clearly20:09
it's the tiny little kids wandering around target singing that20:10
the friendly intentions... worry still feels a tad "this time it's different", old person-itis-y. i guess. but only because it's the metaphorical sky that's falling, not
Iris: who is this guy? i google his face
regard20:16
if they did, many of them would be horrified20:16
20:29
"We ARE helping."20:29
"We're helping hands!"20:29
la la la la la20:32
remember this show?20:32
Ashley Sgromo
yes20:32
Magnus Nørgaard
20:32
no this one20:32
Ashley Sgromo
no20:32
Magnus Nørgaard
also labyrinth was a movie, not a show20:32
Ashley Sgromo
whatevs!20:32
Magnus Nørgaard
remember crackle?20:33
and remember how he was never caught?20:33
Ashley Sgromo
no20:33
Magnus Nørgaard
remember how the first time i asked you about this and how you gave dazed, incoherent replies?20:33
ScreeieercS: what on earth is the matter with you! asgromo: there asgromo: just getting the picture of the peeing girl up out of the window! ScreeieercS: philip sure can't draw pee splattering ScreeieercS: it looks more like crackle's hair ScreeieercS: remember crackle? asgromo: no * * * Edge of Map: after your family became fabulously wealthy? asgromo: yes Edge of Map: makes sense... Edge of Map: remember how he was never caught? asgromo: no Edge of Map: well... then you remember him BEING caught? asgromo: who! Edge of Map: if you don't know WHO, don't say NO Edge of Map: say WHO Edge of Map: crackle! asgromo: yeah, that's who i assumed you were talking about asgromo: but then you said being caught asgromo: i'm not sure how exactly that changed the semantics of the situation such that i'd doubt my former assumption asgromo: anyway, no Edge of Map: you DON'T remember how he was never caught? asgromo: well, i don't remember anyone trying to catch him asgromo: so i don't remember the failure state of that Edge of Map: then you should say that! you should say "who, crackle? i don't remember anyone trying to catch him"20:34
20:35
Ashley Sgromo
that cartoonist isn't trans, isn't she20:36
-n't20:36
Magnus Nørgaard
i don't know, probably20:36
hmm, yo uknow, we should back up a bit20:38
you say you don't see the trouble with the musical trajectory that goes
20:39
Magnus Nørgaard
there's normal'>
Amy: he's wearing a hoodie and his mouth comparing elvis and britney spears, in a political cartoon one would be and nose are covered by a scarf labeled "sex" and one would be labeled "SEX!!!"20:40
the lady gaga step is so alien to the process that she doesn't even get
Iris: unless he's designer, all i need are the eyes, but fine, i add his like when they gathered all the greatest artistic minds in the world to clothes and his gait and sort by location
teleport a gigantic alien monster into Manhattan and kill thousands. But this time, with real confetti20:43
Magnus Nørgaard
yes, but... you're reaching suspiciously far ahead, it makes me think you don't really see how i got there20:44
even
Amy:20:45
evil style='font-size:20.0pt'> his clothes have no distinguishing marks, he sprained starts to creep into it with britney spears, and even with her, you his ankle yesterday running from an angry wino he mugged, and he's got sunglasses on weight had shifted forward20:46
and lady gaga got her start writing lyrics for britney spears in any case, so that's not a clean distinction20:46
actually that handoff in and of itself is very very unusual20:46
and even more remarkable, in a way, is the fact that it went totally unremarked on and wasn't woven into the narrative20:48
an uncredited pop songwriter making the transition to a pop superstar is
Iris: bear in mind my house is pitch dark aside from lady gaga's image is so centrally defined by EVIL, not in the the active 3D video scan
historical halloween sense but in the sexy modern connotations of it, that a rags to riches origin, even if true, is not something that can
but the onion would never have written this article about bjork20:51
Ashley Sgromo
Hehehe20:52
I 0cm;margin-left:255.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>
Amy: they're AR for20:53
Magnus Nørgaard
she kills someone in most of her videos, often the person the song is addressed to20:54
20:54
20:55
have you seen the one for telephone?20:55
Ashley Sgromo
Yes20:55
Magnus Nørgaard
ok, good20:55
20:56
now, you could argue that this is not necessarily a bad thing, that
Iris: any burglar this savvy would open the door an intentions, so maybe it's time bad intentions were given a try" doesn't inch, recognize the strobe pattern as active 3D and shut it again and get the hold much water, (see libertarianism), but there's clearly some hell out of there
substance to it if you consider it as being a form of play or an immune system20:59
the
Amy:21:02
which is what play and immune system analogies are attaching to21:02
21:03
and you could say "it's not as though lady gaga's actually evil, that's just her artistic persona"21:03
Ashley Sgromo
Actually, could you illustrate lady gaga's evil a little better?21:05
Magnus Nørgaard
this style='font-size:20.0pt'> apparently not, because he's in your house. what do you is true, but it's not the behind-the-scenes human being lady gaga who do? warped the development of the cultural values, it's her artistic persona21:05
yes, thank you for asking instead of just being silently unsure what i was talking about21:07
Ashley Sgromo
Thank my husband, acrually21:08
T21:08
Magnus Nørgaard
she's got aesthetics in place of morals and even her aesthetics push the limits of palatability in some respects21:08
she's not crazy, like michael jackson or bjork21:09
she understands reason and logic but consciously rejects them from her decision making because she views them as ugly21:09
bear in mind i'm talking about her artistic persona, the person she is in songs and videos and such21:10
though some of this is true of her in general21:10
21:11
in the video for telephone, she conspires with beyonce to murder beyonce's
Iris: i stumble out of bed totally naked, with my science fiction any one of which would be enough to kill them all ten eyes closed, and say "what time is it? i feel like i've been sleeping times over21:13
*diner21:13
Ashley Sgromo
Is my husband's smile as I narrate this what you mean by aesthetics in place of morals21:14
And is there more of that than just in telephone21:14
Magnus Nørgaard
yes, i would say so21:14
and yes, definitely21:14
telephone is the easiest, clearest example21:14
in "born this way", she plays both god and the devil, essentially, and it's kind of esoteric21:15
it's also important to note that unlike many artists, lady gaga takes complete create control over her videos21:16
actually more so than the music itself21:16
*creative21:16
21:17
this includes designing her own costumes etc.21:17
another since terrr..r...." argument you could make against this sort of thing potentially sending cultural development somewhere scary is that perhaps, like pornography,
Iris: 21:21
and 20.0pt'>i trail off like I'm talking in my sleep pornography is entertainment, whereas lady gaga's stuff is art, the difference being that entertainment merely gives people the things they
21:24
well, even that i wouldn't quite agree with21:25
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Amy: he says "it's three diner21:25
21:26
but o'clock in the morning. go back to bed" even if it were 100% true, the realm of the plausible is constantly changing shape, and sometimes there are discontinuities when it reaches
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Iris: you never know when there might be lava beneath you
Amy: i guess i mean, are google glasses ,,[] waterproof?
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Amy:even if they electrocuted you ,,0,[] it'd be no worse than putting your tongue on a battery, i suppose
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Iris: i don't have glasses
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Iris: there was a storm, and i went for a walk in it
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Iris: storms are basically the only time i take ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"yP\" email\u003d\"notification+zj4oasztyy99@facebookmail.com\" name\u003d\"Facebook\"\u003eFacebook\u003c/span\u003e","\u0026raquo;\u0026nbsp;","Do you know Michelle Ross Venturini, Brian Pfleger and 8 others?","facebook People You May Know Add the people you know to see their photos and updates. Michelle Ross",0,"","","24 Mar","24 March 2014 01:37",1396435858475000,,[] walks anymore
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Iris: there was lightning and it rained off and on, so i had my umbrella
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Iris: then a hill down, and then i ran into a T intersection
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Iris: but, there was an odd driveway-like path leading into the woods
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Iris: i say driveway-like because there was a curb in front of it
Iris: and i walked down it, and it sloped downwards, with woods on one side ,,0,[] and a yard and a big house a ways on the other, and then it just sort of...... petered out
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Iris: it was dark enough that i couldn't really see it
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Iris: the dream wasn't in color except occasionally when the lightning ] flashed, or rather—you get it.
Iris: and this lead to another area of grass, and then more cobblestones... ,,0,[] and i kept expecting this to lead to a backyard or something
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Iris: but instead the path just got narrower and after a while ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"yP\" email\u003d\"update+zj4o0a\u003do_y_9@facebookmail.com\" name\u003d\"Facebook\"\u003eFacebook\u003c/span\u003e","\u0026nbsp;","Annika, you have notifications pending","facebook Hi Annika, Here\u0026#39;s some activity you may have missed on Facebook. 1 friend request 1",0,"","","14 Mar","14 March 2014 21:17",1394849857222000,,[] it was simply a path through the woods
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Iris: which i could only just see
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Iris: it was a perfectly good path, but the light was very dim
Iris: it's good i had my umbrella to push through the wet leaves
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Iris: and it was strange, because it just kept going
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Iris: finally i ,["144b21d053cf6094","144b21d053cf6094","144b21d053cf6094",1,0,["^all","^i","^smartlabel_social","^us"] emerged from the woods into a huge carpeted room, with a ceiling like a ,[] warehouse
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Amy: would you say it was vivid?
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[Iris ,,"2",[0] is typing "anyway, in the huge room i encountered ,,"bounces@mail1.oknotify2.com",,,,1,0] three "tallstalkers", which were robots,"]
Iris: it was more vivid than normal, but i've had other dreams that were ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"yP\" email\u003d\"notification+zj4oasztyy99@facebookmail.com\" name\u003d\"Facebook\"\u003eFacebook\u003c/span\u003e","\u0026raquo;\u0026nbsp;","Do you know Faye Jaecks, Brian Karczewski and 8 others?","facebook People You May Know Add the people you know to see their photos and updates. Faye Jaecks DC",0,"","","8 Mar","8 March 2014 15:00",1394312433644000,,[] comparable
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Amy: ok
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Iris: it had a weird aspect to it though, not exactly vividness, but ,,"noreply@youtube.com",,,,1,0] solidness, like even though it wasn't super detailed, it ,["1449d57fd42c3570","1449d57fd42c3570","1449d57fd42c3570",0,0,["^all","^i","^p_esnotif","^smartlabel_social","^us"] was in focus in an unusual way
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Iris: it was just there, you could look directly at it and feel it and so on ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"yP\" email\u003d\"noreply-1f33a420@plus.google.com\" name\u003d\"Google+\"\u003eGoogle+\u003c/span\u003e","\u0026raquo;\u0026nbsp;","Sane, do you know Ashley Sgromo, Simon Sane or Earnest Smith?","See more suggestions People you may know on Google+ Ashley Sgromo \u0026quot;indolent!\u0026quot; Add Simon",0,"","","7 Mar","7 March 2014 04:11",1395015262283000,,[] and it didn't distort into something else
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Iris: it seemed more meaningful than usual, but only in contrast to my normal ,[] dreams, which are full of incomprehensible idiocy
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Iris: anyway, in the huge room i encountered three ] "tallstalkers", which were robots, or people disguised as robots
] ,["te"]
Iris: one tall stalk of gray accordion...... or ,,[0,"",70,[["alerts3@emails.skype.com","Skype","14548aff973e1fec","14548aff973e1fec"] dryer tube ish.........
Iris: and at the top, a cheap-looking one-eyed snakelike robot head, like ,["info@wolframalpha.com","Wolfram|Alpha Feedback Team","144fc3be6b35c137","144fc3be6b35c137"] gypsy from mystery science theater, roughly
Iris: mary was ,["webalerts@uwcu.org","UW Credit Union","143bdf7b032297cc","143bdf7b032297cc"] still a human being, mind you, or i conceived of her as such, she wasn't in the ] dream
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Amy: right
,["Chatlogs","^all","^bsm","^clu_promo","^cob-processed-gmr","^cob_sm_emailmessage","^i","^ia","^iim","^io_im","^io_imc1","^oc_promo","^os_promo","^smartlabel_promo","^sq_ig_i_promo","^u","^unsub","^us"] ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"alerts3@emails.skype.com\" name\u003d\"Skype\"\u003eSkype\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eUpdate Skype to get the latest in group chat\u003c/b\u003e","Group chat changes ahead » Can\u0026#39;t see this email properly? Forgotten your password? New group chat",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e9 Apr\u003c/b\u003e","9 April 2014 17:51",1397083864524000,,[]
Iris: but so, she could talk to me through the tallstalkers, and thus talk to ,,"alerts3@emails.skype.com",,,,1,0] me in the dream (which i was aware at that point that it was, though i couldn't ,["1454537b369a7082","1454537b369a7082","1454537b369a7082",0,0,["^all","^i","^smartlabel_promo","^us"] remember how dreams work, as is often the case)
,["^all","^bsm","^clu_promo","^clu_unim","^cob-processed-gmr","^i","^io_unim","^oc_promo","^os_promo","^smartlabel_promo","^sq_ig_i_promo","^u","^us"] ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"paypal@e.paypal.com\" name\u003d\"PayPal\"\u003ePayPal\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eNotice of Policy Updates\u003c/b\u003e","View online Notice of Policy Updates Hello Jack Masters, Here at PayPal, we\u0026#39;re constantly making",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e9 Apr\u003c/b\u003e","9 April 2014 01:40",1397025650468000,,[]
Iris: i did most of the talking, i was explaining to her about the forest ,,[] part of the dream
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Iris: part of why i remember dreams so well is i frequently end up retelling ,,0,[] them inside themselves before they're even over... the downside is that ,,[] standing still and talking typically causes the dream to lose coherency, and ,,"1",[0] then i wake up, which is what happened in this one
Amy: what was nightmarish about it, just the vividness of ,,[] the path in the woods?
,,"1",[0] ,,"info@wolframalpha.com",,,,1,0]
Amy: or the solidness, rather?
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Iris: no, the real nightmare has yet to begin
,["^all","^bsm","^clu_promo","^clu_unim","^cob-processed-gmr","^cob_sm_emailmessage","^i","^io_unim","^oc_promo","^os_promo","^smartlabel_promo","^sq_ig_i_promo","^u","^us"] ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"info@wolframalpha.com\" name\u003d\"Wolfram|Alpha Feedback T.\"\u003eWolfram|Alpha Feedback T.\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eWolfram|Alpha Feedback Team\u003c/b\u003e","We appreciate your feedback regarding Wolfram|Alpha. The issue you reported has been passed along to",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e25 Mar\u003c/b\u003e","25 March 2014 21:33",1395801189722000,,[]
Iris: which was followed by a ton more false awakenings
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Iris: they took place in a room which was the size of my childhood room in the ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"support@1and1.com\" name\u003d\"support\"\u003esupport\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eC429476556 Satisfied with our Service?\u003c/b\u003e","Your account number: 260014827 | Help Center | Terms \u0026amp; Conditions Dear Mr. Masters, Thank you for",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e19 Mar\u003c/b\u003e","19 March 2014 20:54",1395280456356000,,[] underground house, but which was painted white and had ,,0,[] a door in the wrong place and a window
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Iris: the window went almost from floor to ceiling, like the one here, and ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"team-hosting@1and1.com\" name\u003d\"1\u0026amp;1 Internet Inc.\"\u003e1\u0026amp;1 Internet Inc.\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eATTENTION: New domains are here!\u003c/b\u003e","Order a new domain extension for as low as $14.99/first year! 1\u0026amp;1 Online Offers NEW DOMAINS ARE",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e13 Mar\u003c/b\u003e","13 March 2014 09:04",1395176657523000,,[] looked out onto utter blackness
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Iris: and in the blackness was floating a blue orb
Iris: finally i ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"referrals@1and1.com\" name\u003d\"1\u0026amp;1 Referral Program\"\u003e1\u0026amp;1 Referral Program\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eRefer someone you know to a 1\u0026amp;1 Online Store!\u003c/b\u003e","1\u0026amp;1 REFERRAL PROGRAM REFER A FRIEND TO A 1\u0026amp;1 ONLINE STORE! Jack Masters, Happy March – yes,",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e3 Mar\u003c/b\u003e","3 March 2014 10:40",1394306597988000,,[] stopped trying to wake up and went for the blue orb, and as i reached the ,,0,[] window i woke up for real
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Amy: that's terrifying
,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"yP\" email\u003d\"webstatements@uwcu.org\" name\u003d\"UW Credit Union\"\u003eUW Credit Union\u003c/span\u003e","\u0026raquo;\u0026nbsp;","Your Credit Card Web Statement is Ready","UW Credit Union Your Security Phrase: \u0026quot;I\u0026#39;m the man who\u0026#39;s going to BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN!",0,"","","27 Feb","27 February 2014 02:32",1393489952398000,,[] ,,0,[]
Amy: i probably would've assumed i was ,["1444ff36eef37198","1444ff36eef37198","1444ff36eef37198",0,0,["^all","^i","^smartlabel_promo"] trapped in endless false awakenings with no way to get away from the orb and ,["^all","^bsm","^clu_promo","^clu_unim","^cob-processed-gmr","^cob_sm_emailmessage","^i","^oc_promo","^os_promo","^smartlabel_promo","^sq_ig_i_promo","^u"] panicked
,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"eDeals@1and1.com\" name\u003d\"1\u0026amp;1 Internet Inc.\"\u003e1\u0026amp;1 Internet Inc.\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eReminder: Refer and earn this February!\u003c/b\u003e","1\u0026amp;1 REFERRAL PROGRAM REMINDER: REFER A FRIEND TO 1\u0026amp;1! Jack Masters, Everyone knows that",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e20 Feb\u003c/b\u003e","20 February 2014 09:39",1394306597988000,,[] ,,0,[]
Iris: a few minutes after waking up, i was still thinking about the blue orb, ,["1444476aabc4fd76","1444476aabc4fd76","1444476aabc4fd76",0,0,["^all","^i","^smartlabel_promo","^us"] and suddenly
,["^all","^bsm","^clu_promo","^clu_unim","^cob-processed-gmr","^i","^oc_promo","^os_promo","^smartlabel_promo","^sq_ig_i_promo","^u","^us"] ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"webstatements@uwcu.org\" name\u003d\"UW Credit Union\"\u003eUW Credit Union\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eYour Web Bill is Ready\u003c/b\u003e","UW Credit Union Your Security Phrase: \u0026quot;I\u0026#39;m the man who\u0026#39;s going to BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN!",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e18 Feb\u003c/b\u003e","18 February 2014 04:07",1392718032557000,,[]
,["^all","^bsm","^clu_promo","^clu_unim","^cob-processed-gmr","^cob_sm_emailmessage","^i","^oc_promo","^os_promo","^smartlabel_promo","^sq_ig_i_promo","^u"] ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"eDeals@1and1.com\" name\u003d\"1\u0026amp;1 Internet Inc.\"\u003e1\u0026amp;1 Internet Inc.\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eRefer a friend to 1\u0026amp;1 this February!\u003c/b\u003e","1\u0026amp;1 REFERRAL PROGRAM Jack Masters, There\u0026#39;s always a good opportunity to earn commission with",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e3 Feb\u003c/b\u003e","3 February 2014 13:08",1394306597988000,,[]
,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"webalerts@uwcu.org\" name\u003d\"UW Credit Union\"\u003eUW Credit Union\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eOverdraft Protection has been Advanced\u003c/b\u003e","UW Credit Union Your Security Phrase: \u0026quot;I\u0026#39;m the man who\u0026#39;s going to BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN!",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e28 Jan\u003c/b\u003e","28 January 2014 01:06",1390892797296000,,[] ,,0,[]
Iris: no, and i should warn you this is still a false awakening
,,"1",[0] ,,"webalerts@uwcu.org",,,,1,0]
Amy: i had a suspicion to that effect...
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Iris: what happened was, i actually had the false awakenings sans blue orb, ,["^all","^clu_promo","^clu_unim","^cob-processed-gmr","^i","^oc_promo","^os_promo","^smartlabel_promo","^sq_ig_i_promo","^u","^unsub"] and then i "woke up" and thought about what had happened in them and ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"Treetopia@mail.vresp.com\" name\u003d\"Treetopia\"\u003eTreetopia\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eMerry Clearance! Enjoy Our BIGGEST Sale of the Year\u003c/b\u003e","Ends Tomorrow: Save Up to 66% Plus Free Shipping Sitewide Click to view this email in a browser",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e25/12/2013\u003c/b\u003e","25 December 2013 07:52",1390341379232000,,[] somehow misremembered there being a blue orb out the window
,,0,["Treetopia"] ,,[]
Iris: then realized there hadn't been, just darkness
,["^all","^clu_promo","^clu_unim","^cob-processed-gmr","^i","^oc_promo","^os_promo","^smartlabel_promo","^sq_ig_i_promo","^u"] ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"team@wolfram.com\" name\u003d\"The Wolfram|Alpha Team\"\u003eThe Wolfram|Alpha Team\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eTreat yourself to Wolfram|Alpha Pro\u003c/b\u003e","Three free months of Pro, 25% off Mathematica and SystemModeler. View in your web browser » Treat",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e17/12/2013\u003c/b\u003e","17 December 2013 16:04",1390341379232000,,[]
,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"Treetopia@mail.vresp.com\" name\u003d\"Treetopia\"\u003eTreetopia\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eYou Asked, We Listened - Cyber Savings Continue For 1 More Day\u003c/b\u003e","Just 1 More Day For Savings Up to 60% \u0026amp; Free Shipping Sitewide on the Most Stylish Artificial",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e03/12/2013\u003c/b\u003e","3 December 2013 08:30",1386334040253000,,[] ,,0,["Treetopia"]
Amy: because i can't trust my own memory, and because i ,["142b5f9555db628c","142b5f9555db628c","142b5f9555db628c",0,0,["^all","^i","^smartlabel_promo"] would feel like i had no control
,["^all","^clu_promo","^clu_unim","^cob-processed-gmr","^i","^oc_promo","^os_promo","^smartlabel_promo","^sq_ig_i_promo","^u"] ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"team@wolfram.com\" name\u003d\"The Wolfram|Alpha Team\"\u003eThe Wolfram|Alpha Team\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eHoliday savings from Wolfram|Alpha\u003c/b\u003e","Pro bonuses, 25% off Mathematica and SystemModeler, discounts on Spikey gear. View in your web",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e02/12/2013\u003c/b\u003e","2 December 2013 19:01",1386334040253000,,[]
Iris: what deeply disturbed me wasn't the orb, it ,["tb",30,[["142a9794c2f6f2c3","142a9794c2f6f2c3","142a9794c2f6f2c3",0,0,["^all","^i","^smartlabel_promo","^unsub"] was that the orb had invaded my memory of the dream
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Iris: although "deeply disturbed" is misleading, because it makes ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"zF\" email\u003d\"Treetopia@mail.vresp.com\" name\u003d\"Treetopia\"\u003eTreetopia\u003c/span\u003e","\u003cb\u003e\u0026raquo;\u003c/b\u003e\u0026nbsp;","\u003cb\u003eOpen. Save 60%. Celebrate.\u003c/b\u003e","3 Days Only: Black Friday Super Sale with Up to 60% Savings \u0026amp; Free Shipping Sitewide Click to",0,"","","\u003cb\u003e27/11/2013\u003c/b\u003e","27 November 2013 07:22",1386334040253000,,[] it sound too localized
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Iris: my first impulse was to say "greatly disturbed", but i ,[] changed it because it was an unusual phrase
,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"yP\" email\u003d\"webstatements@uwcu.org\" name\u003d\"UW Credit Union\"\u003eUW Credit Union\u003c/span\u003e","\u0026raquo;\u0026nbsp;","Your Credit Card Web Statement is Ready","UW Credit Union Your Security Phrase: \u0026quot;I\u0026#39;m the man who\u0026#39;s going to BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN!",0,"","","26/11/2013","26 November 2013 21:01",1386334040253000,,[] ,,0,[]
Iris: so, then i'm imagining a boy and girl lying in bed
,,"1",[0] ,,"Treetopia@mail.vresp.com",,,,0,0]
Iris: young adults but somehow very innocent seeming
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Iris: and the boy has a blue orb hovering above his head
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Iris: (sideways, out into space past the end of the bed)
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[she ,,[] cuts it to the clipboard]
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Iris: right, exactly
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[she ,,"webstatements@uwcu.org",,,,0,0] pastes]
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Iris: and the orb has a key in it
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Iris: and i'm the boy
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,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"yP\" email\u003d\"webstatements@uwcu.org\" name\u003d\"UW Credit Union\"\u003eUW Credit Union\u003c/span\u003e","\u0026raquo;\u0026nbsp;","Your Credit Card Web Statement is Ready","UW Credit Union Your Security Phrase: \u0026quot;I\u0026#39;m the man who\u0026#39;s going to BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN!",0,"","","27/09/2013","27 September 2013 00:04",1380523821490000,,[] ,,0,[]
Iris: a lot of ,,0,[] notes played together in bursts
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Iris: the timbre is reminiscent of the backward notes in Copies of Copies from the Primer ,,0,["The Care.com Team"] soundtrack
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Amy: weird
,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"yP\" email\u003d\"paypal@e.paypal.com\" name\u003d\"PayPal\"\u003ePayPal\u003c/span\u003e","\u0026raquo;\u0026nbsp;","PayPal Annual Privacy and Error Resolution Notice","View online Dear Jack Masters, Your privacy and trust are important to us, so we want to make sure",0,"","","12/09/2013","12 September 2013 23:06",1380229202260000,,[] ,,0,[]
Iris: there is a real blue orb in this house but it's ,["14113ab842e212db","14113ab842e212db","14113ab842e212db",1,0,["^all","^i","^o","^smartlabel_promo"] locked in a closet
,[] ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"yP\" email\u003d\"NoReply@uwcu.org\" name\u003d\"UW Credit Union\"\u003eUW Credit Union\u003c/span\u003e","\u0026raquo;\u0026nbsp;","Avoid a Trip to a Branch \u0026amp; Enter to Win","Now\u0026#39;s the Time to Try Mobile Deposit! UW Credit Union Your Security Phrase: \u0026quot;I\u0026#39;m the man",0,"","","12/09/2013","12 September 2013 14:35",1379166472117000,,[]
Iris: this smaller dream, with the false memories and the boy and girl and ,,[] the orb and the creepy feeling in my head is scary enough that i'd say it counts as a nightmare, but it's just the ,,"careteam@care.com",,,,0,0] prologue to the real nightmare
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Iris: which i've finally worked my way around to after giving an unnecessary ,,0,[] amount of context, as usual
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Amy: no, i'm sorry for being pissed off :(
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Amy: i'm probably not the best person to tell a scary dream to, because i get so ,[] scared i get mad at you, like "why are you telling me this scary story! ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"yP\" email\u003d\"info@wolfram.com\" name\u003d\"Wolfram Research\"\u003eWolfram Research\u003c/span\u003e (2)","\u0026raquo;\u0026nbsp;","Celebrating 25 Years of Mathematica Technology","If you are unable to view the email below, please click here to view the web version. Take advantage",0,"","","23/08/2013","23 August 2013 05:01",1377462730726000,,[] shut up!"
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Iris: yeah, but none of my other friends would be scared at all, so they're ,[] completely useless in this situation
,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"yP\" email\u003d\"careteam@care.com\" name\u003d\"The Care.com Team\"\u003eThe Care.com Team\u003c/span\u003e","\u0026raquo;\u0026nbsp;","Top Tip: Fastest Way To Find Care","Post a job so caregivers can find you. Click to view this email in a web browser Care.com Share Tweet",0,"","","22/08/2013","22 August 2013 06:42",1377229189084000,,[] ,,0,["The Care.com Team"]
Iris: the point of empathy is that i can use you as a fear ,[] sponge and then discard you and go back to bed
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Iris: yeah, but it's more that it's uncomfortable to talk about
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Amy: i see
,[] ,"\u003cspan class\u003d\"yP\" email\u003d\"no-reply@stumblemail.com\" name\u003d\"StumbleUpon\"\u003eStumbleUpon\u003c/span\u003e","\u0026raquo;\u0026nbsp;","i0571, enjoy your weekly recommendations from StumbleUpon","Hi i0571, We\u0026#39;ve gathered a personalized selection of web pages we think you\u0026#39;ll like. Enjoy!",0,"","","10/06/2013","10 June 2013 15:30",1370933881931000,,[]
Iris: because there's a semi-sexual component to it
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Iris: on further consideration it's only semi-sexual
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Amy: well, i appreciate the warning
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Iris: there's a bit here i don't remember, either i went into a non-dreaming ,["^smartlabel_social",2424124] sleep phase or i woke up and then went back to sleep
Iris: i'm pregnant, and my water just broke, and i can't tell anybody because ,["^act",2419013] they all think i'm a boy
,["Personal",2419013] ,["^t",2419013]
Iris: and i guess they wouldn't believe me anyway, at this point
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Amy: mm
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Iris: i'm wandering around through the typical heterogeneous architecture i Simon Sane have in dreams, which is weirdly similar to the way things look in REAL LIFE, also, included in the flashing shapes and stuff I was seeing during my nightmare included a bunch of crazy schematics and formulas, like I was supposed to be absorbing a bunch of secret knowledge despite my dreams being this way long before i had played it
[Susan]: "In practice, the goal of skepticism is not the discovery of truth, but the exposure of other people's errors. It plays a useful role in science, religion, scholarship, and common sense. But we need to remember that it is a weapon serving belief or self-interest; we need to be skeptical of skeptics. The more militant the skeptic, the stronger the belief."
Iris: as usual, i'm not exactly lost so much as i have no destination, but in 11:01 AM this case rather than being nonplussed or distracted, i'm paying more attention [Susan]: in sheldrake's case, telepathy to the world around me, because i'm absolutely terrified.
hmmm [Susan]: the mistakes in his experiments which result in apparently positive evidence for telepathy are subtle enough that most people on the other side of the fence do not see them
Amy: :(
[Susan]: but in the end, when sheldrake is presented with the underlying wrinkle that sours his data, he does not accept it
Iris: and as always happens when i pay attention to the architecture in a Earthboudn dream, it expands and becomes more complex; if i hadn't studied it in detail, Joan Masters this line up on the wall would be a crown molding, but because i turn my *earthbound attention to it, it's a balcony, and the wall is a hundred times as far away
good writing. why are you sending me this?
Iris: that's not a real example, and it's usually not that severe, but that's 11:03 AM how it works, and it also applies to the amount of time i spend looking at because it's about rupert sheldrake, the guy in that google labs video you sent me something, or spend walking around in a place
it's definitely redolent of the A&P noise
Iris: i've never successfully walked around a building in a dream; by the he was the guy with the sleep ideas? time i get to the fourth side, it's too large and i have to go through
Matt Smith
Iris: and then i never get out, because the rooms get bigger and bigger and no, the one before that the entire rest of the dream ends up taking place indoors
"the extended mind: recent experimental evidence"
Iris: but this dream started indoors anyway, and it soon went from odd little Joan Masters storerooms and hallways to purposeless but moderately large rooms with complex the way you describe reacting to it is quite familiar as well multi-leveled floors and unremarkable drop-ceilings, to grocery store, mall, imax theater, international airport, and then into spaces pushing yourself out of it even though you know you have to get to the other side that can't be meaningfully compared with real ones, with undefined dimensions and incoherent shapes
Simon Sane
Iris: bottomless bookstores or libraries, theaters with unbounded chasms separating the stage and the seats, horizonless furniture showrooms, ruins of with the amount of terror involved in the dream, I'm surprised I made it as far as I did octahedral cineplexes with their own gravity... in this case it was mostly Joan Masters spaces that were hard to name, that gave you an uncomfortable feeling like you but my sleepy nipple experience was just way too uncomfortable were in the wrong place, or an employees-only part of a building, or something He talks about different peoples theories about conciousness and on he disagrees with had to do with a "conversation" one has when recieving information. If it's only coming in and not being recieved withattached meaning, then there is a lack of conciousness. or something. Anyway, it kind of made me think of you in sponge mode when you were little. He also talks about some interesting savants and also amazing tool use in birds. under construction
Iris: the absurdity of this eventually put the terror in check, and i decided "fuck it, i'll call mary, at least i can yell at her when she fails to say more about the "conversation aspect of meaning assignment magically solve my problem with her intolerable brilliance"
you should watch that episode of galaxy angel
Iris: i zoomed out and found the nearest bed, which was up a couple stairs, u need to listen to cd #7 starting at tr. 5 He spends most of the first 4 cd's talking about evolution and the brain. You'd get more out of this than I am though he gets overly jovial in my opinion. randomly stuck in a ruined/half-built corner of a gray structure near the end Matt Smith of a long, broad, curved ledge or balcony, basically a floor without walls
OI!
Iris: it was well-lit (from nowhere), but bordered by a black void
which episode is it?
Iris: it wasn't a place with a name, like "mezzanine" or well yeah, as if he were actually talking to you instead of writing a book with lots of inuendos and too many adjectives for reporting scientific data... "bedroom", it had the flavor of a leftover corner of a forgotten side of the exterior of an unused set, still indoors but not well-defined enough to be indoors inside anything in particular
11:06 AM Simon Sane
Iris: the google map data for it was very poor and had weird discontinuities, like the coast of greenland used to, and i realized i was dreaming
Joan Masters Matt Smith
Iris: but in my mind, i was equally pregnant in real life, and waking up and experiencing the terror i just went through without the anesthetizingly surreal Simon Sane dreamscape wasn't very tempting
let's compromise and say convivial
Iris: so i just sat in the bed
Joan Masters
Iris: i remembered that i wanted to call mary, but i Matt Smith no longer had my phone
for plorg, the compression takes on a variety of roles and what did it have to do with a lightbulb
Iris: and then a tallstalker rose up from the abyss
which means plorg has to understand, at least in a crude way, how people consciously process language AND how they unconciously process language
Amy: :((((((((((((((((((
third, it has to separate the message into a variety of mutually reinforcing streams, so that they can be independently warped away from their natural forms, obfuscating things further and providing greater granularity, which is necessary to maintain contact with the previously conditioned associations so as to extend them to the new format there WAS no lightbulb
Iris: and it spoke in mary's voice, and said "Iris, you are the smartest of all my friends and subminds. You have in parts of the game that from the player's perspective are not important decisions, or even not decisions at all, but simply trivially different ways of achieving the same game state nothing to fear."
Matt Smith pressing o would mean going left and then up, pressing j would mean going up and then left, it makes no difference on the conscious level
Iris: and i said "no, it's going to hurt!"
because on the unconscious level, the game is testing whether the player can tell the difference between the string "flapja" and "flapoa"
Iris: and she said "It only hurts when we give we need to complete our job as soon as possible, otherwise we won't be able to eat birth to men. We weren't designed to. That kind of the end goal is to be able to have a full conversation with someone's unconscious mind, without them being aware they were talking to anyone at all childbirth is a punishment from God."
if we can't eat, then our stomachs won't get larger
Amy: style='font-size:20.0pt'> not true, girls hurt just as much
Iris: that's what i said
Iris: and marysaid "When the Bible uses the word 'men', it can mean two different things."
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"When the Bible uses the word 'men', it can mean two different things."